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Guns and Butter Presents Dr. Graeme MacQueen, The War On Terror: Targeting Elected Officials

07 Wed Sep 2016

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Guns_and_butter_logoLUMPENPROLETARIAT—On this week’s edition of Guns and Butter, host Bonnie Faulkner presented excerpts of an interview she conducted with Dr. Graeme MacQueen, author of The 2001 Anthrax Deception: The Case for a Domestic Conspiracy.

Earlier surveys of research into the crimes of 9/11, such as the 9/11 Coincidence Theory, a podcast by MediaRoots.org, have documented how the official conspiracy theory (or explanation) of the crimes of 9/11, like that of the 2001 anthrax attacks, does not hold up to scrutiny.  Intent aside, the anthrax attacks served to galvanise the synthetic terrorism threat catalysed by the crimes of 9/11, and just as the national sense of trauma after 9/11 was calming down from emotional hysteria (or detachment) to more critical reason.

The crimes of 9/11, followed by the 2001 anthrax attacks, were a “one-two punch” to the national psyche, as Dr. Graeme MacQueen describes it, which solidified fear of terrorism in the American public, despite the fact that death from falling down the stairs was probably a much bigger safety hazard.  This all resulted in making the American people (not to mention Canadians and others prone to follow an American lead) more vulnerable to reactionary, antidemocratic policies, such as the U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act.

Saliently, as Dr. MacQueen has revealed, the anthrax attacks were targeted at the two members of congress, who were questioning and stalling the rush to pass the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act.  They were cautioning against fear-based decision-making, which was sacrificing democratic principles in the name of security.  Then, they received anthrax-laden letters.  Soon afterward, they went along with the post-9/11 shock doctrine.  This week’s Guns and Butter discussion is an important one, which the dominant corporate media and others would rather suppress and censor.  Listen (and/or download) here. [1]

UPDATE—[15 FEB 2017]  Guns and Butter has rebroadcast the interview with Dr. Graeme MacQueen (sans interruptions), which was previously broadcast on Wednesday, 7 SEP 2016, during a fund drive period, which necessitated interruptions of the interview to appeal for listener donations to (and sponsorship for, and membership in) free speech radio KPFA.  Listen (and/or download) here. [2]

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[Working draft transcript of actual radio broadcast by Messina for Lumpenproletariat and Guns and Butter.]

GUNS AND BUTTER—[7 SEP 2016]  “This is Guns and Butter.  [theme music]

DR. GRAEME MACQUEEN:  “So, here’s the thing.  A little bit before October 5th [2001], Dick Cheney, the Vice President [of the United States] met with a bunch of Republican senators and said:  I don’t like the fact that this P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act is taking so long to go through Congress.  He said:  It’s going too slowly.  I want it passed.  Let’s try to get it through by October 5th.  This is October 5th, 2001.  So, that’s Cheney’s deadline. [3]

“Well, guess what.  It wasn’t passed by October 5th.  And the two guys most responsible for holding it up were Daschle and Leahy.  So, then, guess what.  Somewhere between October 6th, the day after that deadline, and October 9th—somewhere between those three days—two anthrax letters are sent to—guess who?—Daschle and Leahy.”

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “I’m Bonnie Faulkner.  Today on Guns and Butter:  Graeme MacQueen.  Today’s show:  ‘The War On Terror: Targeting Elected Officials’.

“Graeme MacQueen taught in the religious studies department of McMaster University in Ontario for 30 years.  In 1989, he became founding director at the Center for Peace Studies at McMaster and oversaw the development of peace-building projects in Sri Lanka, Gaza, Croatia, and Afghanistan.  He is a co-editor of the Journal for 9/11 Studies, a member of the 9/11 Consensus Panel, and was on the organising committee of the Toronto Hearings on 9/11.  He’s the author of The 2001 Anthrax Deception: The Case for a Domestic Conspiracy.

“Today, we discuss the intimidation of elected representatives in, both, the United States and Canada as a core feature of the War On Terror.

“Graeme MacQueen, welcome.”  (c. 2:32)

DR. GRAEME MACQUEEN:  “Thank you.  It’s great to be here, Bonnie.”

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “How would you describe the initial reactions of the United States Congress to explosions in the Twin Towers on September 11th [2001]?”

DR. GRAEME MACQUEEN:  “Well, as far as I know, members of Congress, specifically, didn’t talk about explosions in the Towers, although, in my opinion, that’s what brought them down.  But, certainly, members of Congress reacted to the destruction of the Towers and to the fact that someone rushed in to their rooms, where they were watching all this stuff unfold on TV, and said:  You’ve gotta evacuate the capitol!  You’ve gotta evacuate the whole building because it looks like there’s a plane headed our way!

“And, according to Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, it was the first time in history that the entire capitol had been evacuated in that way.  And there didn’t seem to have been any protocol as to how to do it.  He says it was, quote, ‘total chaos’ with, you know, senators and house members scattering in all directions in fear.

“So, that’s why this was a major act of terror or, if you like, deliberate intimidation of Congress.  Imagine having to flee the building, in which they meet.  It’s symbolic of the representatives of the United States population meeting together to deliberate and make laws.

“So, regardless of whether it was explosions or something else, that destroyed the Towers—and we could talk about that later—this, um, 9/11 incident certainly caused intimidation of Congress.”  (c. 4:19)

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “What is the pattern, that is common in societies experiencing danger?”

DR. GRAEME MACQUEEN:  “Well, one of the patterns that I’m drawing attention to these days—and I’m certainly not the inventor of this idea; it’s been around for a long while.  I used the acronym T-U-R, TUR, to symbolise threat, unity, and response, or as sometimes I say, reaction.  But let’s say response.  Threat, unity, and response.

“So, in other words, some threat appears on the scene.  The group, or society, in question is intimidated.  They are frightened.  And they, therefore, draw together.  That’s what unity is about.  They pull together like a herd threatened by a predator.  And, indeed, we see this in communities of non-humans, not just humans.  They draw together.  There are a lot of implications there.  Civil liberties often go out the window.  Dissent is often repressed.  And, in fact, this unity is usually a hierarchical unity, not an egalitarian unity.  It’s hard to distinguish from obedience.  (c. 5:33)

“So, normally, the executive branch of the government or the military—whoever, at that point, is claiming to be the leader—gets to do what they want.  And everyone else huddles behind them, grateful for their protection, grateful to have security.  That’s what I mean by unity.

“And, then, response can be of various kinds.  But I’m especially interested in two kinds.  One is the repression of dissent, which I just talked about.  Oh, let’s pass a new law making it more difficult for people to maintain their traditional civil liberties.  Let’s give more power to intelligence agencies, the police, and the executive branch.  That would be a response, that concentrates on the domestic scene, the inside of the society.

“The other kind of response is external or international.  And that’s when the society says:  Somebody did this to us, some foreign agency or power or entity.  So, now, having drawn together as a herd, you know, and we’re now strong and united; and we will hurl ourselves at this external enemy.  And that’s usually what we mean by war as an act of aggression, that’s armed force usually, which we, then, direct toward the person, that we think is the enemy, or that we imagine is the enemy, whether they are or aren’t.

“So, in other words, the threat comes first, then a powerful unity, a herd sense, which leads to a two-fold response, both, domestic and international.  That’s the pattern I’m interested in right now.  And I’m especially interested in, when it’s done, to the elected representatives of people: congress, parliament, that sort of thing.”  (c. 7:16)

BONNIE FAULKNER:  ”  [SNIP]

DR. GRAEME MACQUEEN:  ” [SNIP]  (c. 12:00)

BONNIE FAULKNER:  ”  [SNIP]

DR. GRAEME MACQUEEN:  ” [SNIP]

[The ‘Daschle Hug‘ represents a dangerous form of national unity because it represents uncritical, emotionally-led, decision-making, as all critical reason is eradicated from Congress once the last two holdouts against the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act are intimidated into toeing the toe the line of uncritical militarism.]  (c. 14:50)

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “I’m speaking with researcher and author, Dr. Graeme MacQueen.  Today’s show:  ‘The War On Terror: Targeting Elected Officials’.  I’m Bonnie Faulkner.  This is Guns and Butter.

“During times of perceived danger, how are populations and their elected representatives vulnerable to manipulation?  You have written that a strong social taboo has been constructed, that has hampered awareness of this deception and manipulation.  What is this taboo?”

DR. GRAEME MACQUEEN:  ” Well, first of all, the business about how populations are vulnerable at the exact moment of the attack—I’m giving a very informal account of it.  I’m not a psychologist.  And I’m not a neurologist.  I’m not trying to give a sophisticated account.  But, basically, we get frightened by threats.  And we go into a certain part of our minds, where we seek reassurance; we seek unity.  And the critical mind is not functioning very well.  And, as I’ve said, that’s very dangerous.

“Now, the thing is that that usually doesn’t last too long.  So, for example, after 9/11, the polls showed that many Americans were willing to suspend their civil liberties.  And they were willing to hurl themselves at the enemy.  However, we know that that doesn’t last too long.  And there was a lot of sign that resistance in the U.S., both, in Congress and in the general population was starting to grow to the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act, for example, saying: Wait a minute.  Are we giving away our civil liberties?  And it was very broad-based.  It wasn’t just the left.  It was people on the left, people on the right, people all over the place were wondering about this—and also some rumblings of anti-war sentiment.

“So, what happens in that case?  Well, what happens is that, if the executive branch is determined, as I believe it was in the fall of 9/11, to get its war, to get its civil liberties restrictions, it will do its best to maintain the sense of fear, maintain the threat, both, against congress and the general population.  And I think that’s, quite clearly, what it did.

“In the case of the fall of 9/11, there were all kinds of reports of threats.  The FBI was comin’ up with stuff.  Oh, we’re 100% sure that Al Qaeda’s gonna strike again.”  (c. 17:00)

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “You have reported that members of the U.S. Congress were told by the FBI not to wear their congressional pins publicly or to use their congressional license plates.  They were told they must hide their identities as elected representatives.  Now, I hadn’t heard that before.”

DR. GRAEME MACQUEEN:  “Yes.  This is very clear.  It was reported in mainstream media.  And, so, this was what I’m calling one method of keeping Congress intimidated.  You can’t go out in public and tell people—right?—that you’re a Congressional member.  You might be attacked.  And there’s barricades around the capitol and police tape and all kinds of additional restrictions and rerouting of traffic.  All this is going on after 9/11.  Then, to cap it off, the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security and all kinds of people start warning that there’s gonna be more attacks, that there’s a very strong likelihood that there’ll be more attacks.  And they could be attacks on Congress.  And, oh, my gosh!  They start saying:  We could even get a biological attack or a chemical attack.  And guess what.  They did.  You know?  Then the anthrax attacks begin.  And, then, we have anthrax attacks on two U.S. senators.

“And, so, what I’m saying is that I think it’s very clear.  My own research indicates it’s quite clear that 9/11 was the big shock, that created the threat, the unity, and so on.  But you have to maintain that.  And, so, the anthrax attacks were like the second punch, a one-two punch.  And they kept up the momentum.  They kept up the fear.  They kept up the threats.  You know.  The senators in the Hart Senate Building had to abandon the whole building.  It was contaminated with anthrax.  And they were trying to get the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act passed by, you know, using various offices in Washington and didn’t have access to their own equipment.

“So, under an extreme sense of threat and danger, they passed that act.  And this is what I’m talking about by keeping up the pressure and keeping up this sense of threat and fear, which continually disables people’s critical mind, puts them in this emotional state, in which they’re vulnerable. [4]

[(c. 14:50)  break]

[SNIP]  (c. 17:00)

BONNIE FAULKNER:  ” [SNIP]  ”

[The crimes of 9/11 being followed by the anthrax attacks were a “one-two punch” to the national psyche, as Dr. Graeme MacQueen describes it, which solidified fear of terrorism in the American public, such that the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act was signed by Congress under duress and with most members of Congress not even having read the text of the legislation.]

[SNIP]  (c. 19:50)

BONNIE FAULKNER:  ”

[Yes, members of the media also received anthrax-laden letters.  But those who were killed by anthrax seemed random, reflecting additional intent to terrorise, or intimidate, the general public as well.]   (c. 21:30)

BONNIE FAULKNER:  ”

[SNIP]

[(c. 25:40)  As this broadcast is occurring during a fund drive period for listener-sponsored, non-corporate, free speech radio KPFA, Bonnie Faulkner appeals to listeners to donate funds to KPFA to prevent the station from going off the air.  Like most of the working class, KPFA lives paycheck to paycheck, as it were, or fund drive to fund drive.]  [5]

[SNIP]  (c. 27:50)

[On the military drill known as Dark Winter.]

[SNIP]  (c. 30:20)

[On 9/11 FF]

[SNIP]  (c. 36:25)

[Back to the pre-recorded interview by Bonnie Faulkner with Dr. Graeme MacQueen]

[SNIP]

BONNIE FAULKNER:  ”

[SNIP] (c. 38:39)

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “I’m speaking with researcher and author, Dr. Graeme MacQueen.  Today’s show:  ‘The War On Terror: Targeting Elected Officials’.  I’m Bonnie Faulkner.  This is Guns and Butter.

“You have spoken about the physical intimidation of elected representatives as a core feature of the War On Terror.  You cite the U.S. Congress in September of 2001 and also two different incidents in Canada in 2013 and 2014.  I’d like you to talk about these incidents in Canada and their striking resemblance to what went on in September of 2001 in the United States.  Let’s start with the incident in Canada in 2013, what happened there?”

DR. GRAEME MACQUEEN:  “Okay.  Well, if we want to look at the pattern of what happened here, we have to realise that, both, the federal police, if you want to call them that, in the U.S. and Canada are both playing a game, a game, which is clearly intended to keep the War On Terror, which is a fraudulent construction, to keep it going.

“And one of the ways they do this is by encouraging people, usually marginal, poverty-stricken people, sometimes with drug addiction, sometimes minor prison records, sometimes mentally retarded, any number of—they target them and draw them into terrorism plots, encourage them, give them money, weapons, self-esteem, and ideas. [6]  And, then, they nab them and say:  Oh, look.  We’ve caught a terrorist.  And:  Put them away for years and years.

“So, this pattern, in the U.S., has been described very well by Trevor Aaronson in his book, The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI’s Manufactured War On Terror. [7]  And I really encourage people to get that book:  Trevor Aaronson.  It’s a good piece of reseach ‘cos he looked at every court case from 9/11 until—I think it was—2013, when he finished his research, every court case where someone was on trial for terrorism, and read them, and came to the conclusion that the FBI was, in fact, setting these people up again and again and again in order to keep this War On Terror going.

“Well, the thing is that my [Canadian] federal police, the RCMP, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, are into the same thing.  Possibly, they’re copying the FBI.  Maybe, they think they’re doing it on their own.

“So, the case you are asking me about in 2013 is a classic case of this.  We have a couple, living together:  John Nuttall and Amanda Korody.  (c. 41:43)  [SNIP]

[The story of Canadian fantasist Mr. John Nuttall, an example of entrapment by the Canadian state, similar to American cases of entrapment, in order to manufacture consent to justify the so-called War On Terror, which appears to be an excuse to strengthen a police state apparatus against popular tendencies toward democratisation.  A judge, ultimately, concluded that there are enough real terrorists to worry about without making up fake ones.]  (c. 47:10)

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “Well, I can’t help but be struck by the fact that Canada Day, July 1st, 2013, when this incident, that you’ve just been describing took place with these pressure cooker bombs, the so-called Boston Bombings took place April 15th of that same year.  And the claim is that they were pressure cooker bombs.  Now, this is just too big of a coincidence.”

DR. GRAEME MACQUEEN:  “Well, it isn’t a coincidence.  There are a couple things worth noting here.  First of all, the police agents, who were trying to entrap John Nuttall said very clearly:  You are not capable of hijacking a train.  Okay?  Let’s get real.  Here’s what you can do.  You can, with our help, build a pressure cooker bomb just as they did in the Boston Marathon Bombing. 

“So, the Canadian federal police are building upon this American case, which also, in my view, looks like another, you know, intelligence operation, by the way, the Boston Marathon Bombing.

“So, the intelligence agencies are working together.  And, by the way, we know they do that.  We know the FBI and the RCMP work together often in these cases.  That’s the first thing to note.

“The other thing to note is that the Boston Marathon Bombings didn’t just have a big effect.  They also had a big effect in Canada.  And they were used as a pretext to pass legislation in Canada restricting our rights.

“So, again, the effect of these things across borders is very important to think about.”  (c. 48:48)

[end of interview excerpt; cut to Bonnie Faulkner via telephone]

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “That’s the voice of Graeme MacQueen.  Today’s show:  ‘The War On Terror: Targeting Elected Officials’.  This is a new interview with Dr. Graeme MacQueen.  I have done an hour-long interview with him, specifically, on the Anthrax Attacks.  And, as a matter of fact, I’m gonna have copies of that blockbuster show, along with this one and many others, tomorrow at the 9/11 Film Festival at the Grand Lake Theater in Oakland.

“I’m Bonnie Faulkner.  This is Guns and Butter.  We’re breaking in here because we are raising funds for KPFA, our incredible local radio station here in Berkeley, California.  We need to raise money for our station.  We need to keep on the air.  We have incredible expenses to keep the station going.  We need your support.  We need your help.  You’ve always stepped up to the plate on Guns and Butter and helped out the station.  Give them those viable, tax-deductible dollars.  You can give us a call at 1.800.439-5732.

“We’re offering today Graeme MacQueen’s new book, The 2001 Anthrax Deception: The Case for a Domestic Conspiracy.  Incredible book; highly recommended.  There are details about the Anthrax Attacks in this book, that, not only, have you never heard of, but you couldn’t even imagine.  It’s unbelievable stuff.

“1.800.439-5732.  (c. 50:30)  [SNIP]”

[SNIP] 

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “Yes.  I have that audio of FBI informant Randy Glass talking about having dinner with Pakistani ISI agent Raja Ghulam Abbas.”

[SNIP]  (c. 59:59)

Learn more at GUNS AND BUTTER.

[This transcript will be expanded as time constraints, and/or demand or resources, allow.]

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Also see this relevant Lumpenproletariat article on 9/11, featuring a transcript of Media Roots Radio, which your author originally transcribed for Media Roots in 2012:

  • Historical Archive: “MR Radio Transcript: 9/11 Coincidence Theory”, 25 OCT 2015.

And this:

  • NoLiesRadio.org.

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[1]  Terrestrial radio broadcast, 94.1 FM (KPFA, Berkeley, CA) with online simulcast and digital archiving:  Guns and Butter, this one-hour broadcast hosted by Bonnie Faulkner, Wednesday, 7 SEP 2016, 13:00 PDT.

[2]  Terrestrial radio broadcast, 94.1 FM (KPFA, Berkeley, CA) with online simulcast and digital archiving:  Guns and Butter, this one-hour broadcast hosted by Bonnie Faulkner, Wednesday, 15 FEB 2017, 13:00 PST.

[3]  We recall, of course, that Dick Cheney had been the CEO of Halliburton, which soon after the P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act was passed and the neocons in power got their blank check to wage a forever war everywhere against, essentially, an emotion (namely, ‘terror’, which is not any one organisation).  The so-called War On Terror (a phrase further reduced from the slightly less inaccurate War On Terrorism), as Dr. Graeme MacQueen argues, is a fallacious construct.  But it’s a construct, which, flowing from the state’s response to the crimes of 9/11, has enabled war profiteers, such as Dick Cheney’s Halliburton to get loads of no-bid contracts of post-9/11 business.

For more on post-9/11 no-bid contracts, see:

  • “U.S. Wasting Billions While Tripling No-Bid Contracts After Decade of War in Iraq, Afghanistan”, by Democracy Now!, 2 SEP 2011.
  • “EXCLUSIVE: Fired Army Whistleblower Receives $970K for Exposing Halliburton No-Bid Contract in Iraq” by Democracy Now!, 26 JUL 2011.

[4]  We recall the fact that Congress member Barbara Lee was the sole person in Congress with enough courage to resist the herd mentality of fear-based decision-making.  For example, see:

  • “Barbara Lee’s Lone Vote on Sep. 14, 2001, Was as Prescient as It Was Heroic” by Glenn Greenwald, The Intercept, 11 SEP 2016.

[5]  Sometimes, KPFA broadcasters describe financial shortfalls during KPFA fund drives.  But during this fund drive, even prior to it, KPFA management and broadcasters have been urging all listeners to donate as much as possible because KPFA has lost its Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) funds, which previously accounted for about 15% of KPFA’s budget.  KPFA Local Station Board members have reported to the listeners that KPFA lost its CPB funding during the recent past when the SaveKPFA slate was in charge of KPFA’s board.  There has been an internal struggle for the soul of KPFA, basically, since 1999, when listeners fought back against a lockout of all KPFA staff and unilateral takeover of the station by Pacifica executives.  One side of KPFA’s board of directors has never wanted a democratic form of governance for KPFA, in which the listeners may take an ownership role and prevent corporate-types from compromising KPFA’s journalistic integrity.  This is why SaveKPFA partisans, such as Brian Edwards-Tiekert, have contemplated working to dismantle the democratically-elected Local Station Board.

[6]  Those who have followed the more honest news outlets will have heard of this issue of entrapment perpetrated by local police agencies in collusion with intelligence agencies.  For example, see:

  • Democracy Now! topic:  NYPD Muslim Spy Program.
  • “Historic Settlement over NYPD’s Anti-Muslim Spying Imposes Oversight & Bars Ethnic-Based Targeting” by Democracy Now!, 11 JAN 2016.
  • “New York Drops Police Unit that Spied on Muslims, But Will It End Broader Profiling & Surveillance?” by Democracy Now!, 16 APR 2014.
  • “From Mosques to Soccer Leagues: Inside the NYPD’s Secret Spy Unit Targeting Muslims, Activists” by Democracy Now!, 17 SEP 2013.
  • “AP Wins Pulitzer for Exposing NYPD’s CIA-Linked Intel Program, Leading Widespread Spying on Muslims” by Democracy Now!, 17 APR 2012.
  • “NYPD Muslim Spy Scandal Grows with Newly Revealed Plan to Target Shiite Mosques” by Democracy Now!, 3 FEB 2012.
  • “With CIA Help, New York Police Secretly Monitored Mosques, Muslim Communities Post-9/11” by Democracy Now!, 25 AUG 2011.
  • “Entrapment or Foiling Terror? FBI’s Reliance on Paid Informants Raises Questions about Validity of Terrorism Cases” by Democracy Now!, 6 OCT 2010.

“‘Mosque Crawlers’, ‘Rakers’ Monitoring U.S. Muslims for NYPD” by PBS News Hour (28 FEB 2012)

[7]  Regarding Trevor Aaronson’s book, Inside the Terror Factory, also see:

  • “Inside the Terror Factory: Award-winning journalist digs deep into the FBI’s massive efforts to create fake terrorist plots” by Trevor Aaronson, Mother Jones, 11 JAN 2013.
  • “The Informants: The FBI has built a massive network of spies to prevent another domestic attack. But are they busting terrorist plots—or leading them?” by Trevor Aaronson, Mother Jones, SEP/OCT 2011.

“Trevor Aaronson – TERROR FACTORY” by Civil Freedoms NCPCF

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Guns and Butter Presents (part 5) – Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects by Kevin Ryan

31 Wed Aug 2016

Posted by ztnh in Anti-Fascism, Anti-Imperialism, Anti-War, Free Speech, Police State, Political Science

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Guns_and_butter_logoLUMPENPROLETARIAT—On today’s edition of Guns and Butter host Bonnie Faulkner presented Part 5 of a fascinating series of interviews with Kevin Ryan on his book, Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects. [1]

By now, it’s quite well understood that the official 9/11 Commission Report was fatally flawed, depriving the American people of a sincere investigation into the crimes of 9/11, which have been used as continuing justification for endless war everywhere, in other words, endless justification for U.S. imperialism justified by fears of synthetic threats, giving new meaning to the term manufacturing consent.

Kevin Ryan‘s book, Another Nineteen, provides a comprehensive study of the current body of research on the prime suspects, who deserve to be investigated for their apparent roles in carrying out the crimes of 9/11.  Listen (and/or download) here. [2]

Messina

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[Working draft transcript of actual radio broadcast by Messina for Lumpenproletariat and Guns and Butter.]

GUNS AND BUTTER—[31 OCT 2016]  “This is Guns and Butter.  [theme music]

KEVIN RYAN:  “The fireproofing upgrades were very coincidentally similar; they meshed up up almost exactly to the areas of impact, failure, and fire. on 9/11.  So, they had 110 floors in the North Tower, for example.  Only eight of those floors had been updated fully for fireproofing.  Now, those were the exact eight floors where the plane hit and where the fire occurred and where the failure was said to have initiated.”  (c. 1:06)

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “I’m Bonnie Faulkner.

“Today on Guns and Butter:  Kevin Ryan.  Today’s show:  ‘Another Nineteen, Part 5‘.

“Kevin Ryan was site manager of a division of Underwriters Laboratories, or UL.  As a manager at Underwriters, he began in 2003 to question the World Trade Center investigation being conducted by UL and the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and UL’s work to insure the fire resistance of the buildings.

“Ryan lost his position at UL for making his questions public.

“He was a founding member of the 9/11 Working Group of Bloomington and Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice.  He now serves as co-editor of the Journal of 9/11 Studies.  His latest book is Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects.

“Today, we discuss Rudy Giuliani and the World Trade Center, Dwayne Andrews and SAIC, and Porter Goss and the cover-up.

“Kevin Ryan, welcome.”

KEVIN RYAN:  “Thank you, Bonnie.”  (c. 2:12)

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Rudy Giuliani (b. 1944)

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “You began your chapter, ‘Rudy Giuliani and the World Trade Center’, by mentioning the fact that Giuliani gained national notoriety from the events of 9/11, that his approval rating shot up to 79% from 34%, and that, in fact, he was named Man of the Year by Time magazine in 2001.  What can you tell us about his family background, ties to the mob, and his early work history?”

KEVIN RYAN:  “Well, Rudy’s father was convicted of robbery and, then, sent to Sing Sing prison.  And that’s well-known, and also the fact that, afterward, he worked for a mafia loan shark operation.

“Rudy’s uncle, on his mother’s side, his mother’s brother, also worked for a loan shark operation.  And their son, his uncle’s son, was a stone-cold gangster.  So, it’s clear that Rudy’s family had a lot of ties to the mob.  And that was clear, given some other folks, that worked with Rudy in the years even when he was mayor of New York City.

“But Rudy, like Dick and Don, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld, he got off to a very quick start in the politics of certain things.  And at the age of 29 he graduated from law school; and he was appointed right away as being in charge of the cases, the enforcement, of the Knapp Commission investigation of police corruption in New York City.  And, for some reason, the indictments and the convictions didn’t end up—and the corruption—actually, being reduced.  That, actually, continued, in particular drug-related corruption.  (c. 4:02)

“But, whether or not Giuliani was seen as doing a good there job or not, he was appointed, shortly after that, to be associate deputy attorney general in the Ford administration, reporting to deputy attorney general Harold Tyler.

“So, in that role, he was basically mentored by Harold Tyler, who was a very powerful man.  And he was, also, even at that time, warning about domestic terrorism and recommending that intelligence collection policies be relaxed.

“So, Rudy was on board right away with a lot of these folks who worked in the Ford administration, at a very young age.  And, in the Reagan administration, when he was only 37, he was appointed to the third-highest position, the associate attorney general, where he was responsible for overseeing the Department of Corrections and the Drug Enforcement agency.  (c. 4:59)

“And that’s interesting because, back then, the Drug Enforcement Agency, was involved with helping the CIA run cocaine into the United States to fund the Nicaraguan contra effort.  This was reported by Gary Webb, the journalist.

“But Rudy, then, as the man in charge of the Drug Enforcement Administration, would have had some complicity in all of that.  And, so, he had a very interesting background in the Justice Department.

[On Rudy Giuliani and Promise software]

“And I do know that, while he was there, he also chaired a committee, that gave oversight to the government’s use of a software called PROMIS, which has a lot of intersting implications to 9/11.  It was once used by Oliver North to track terrorist threats.  Basically, it was a database.  PROMIS was a database.  (c. 5:51)

“And that’s interesting, given that British foreign secretary Robert Cook after 9/11 said that that’s what Al Qaeda means.  Al Qaeda, actually, means data base, according to Robert Cook.

“And, so, this PROMIS software, being a data base tracking terrorist threats, is very interesting.  And there’s been a lot of comments about this software.  And, so, Giuliani’s connection to that is very intruiging.  I’d say.”

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Daniel Casolaro (1947-1991)

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “And, then, of course, you mention in your book journalist Daniel Casolaro was investigating with regard to the Department of Justice and PROMIS software as well.  And he reached an untimely end.  Didn’t he?”

KEVIN RYAN:  “Yes, he did, much like Gary Webb.  It was said that Danny Casolaro committed suicide.  But his family didn’t believe it.  And the evidence points to murder.  (c. 6:44)

“But Danny Casolaro was an independent journalist, who was investigating a wide-ranging criminal enterprise, that involved PROMIS.  It involved organised crime, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, which is the well known terrorist financing network led by the CIA and some oil-rich countries in the Middle East.

“And Giuliani was involved in all of these things: organised crime, oversight of PROMIS, oversight of the enforcement actions for the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI).”

“You know; and all this stuff kind of wrapped up into, I think Danny Casolaro called it, the octopus.  He called it this criminal network, that somehow is involved in a number of things, that you know circumvented democracy and had to do with drug-running and breaking the law in a widespread way.

“So, Giuliani was touching, in his career, all of these things: PROMIS, BCCI, organised crime.  As far as PROMIS went, the Justice Department, when Giuliani worked there, actually, illegally distributed the PROMIS software to foreign governments.  So, Giuliani, being in charge of the oversight of the PROMIS committee, while this Justice Department was illegally distributing this software, which ended up being an espionage software as well—when it was installed in embassies in foreign governments, it would capture data and send it back to the United States in a covert way.

“So, Giuliani was appointed U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York.  And, you know, this is when he started gaining notoriety because he was said to be tough on white collar crime.  And he was often photographed busting these big shots.

“He led the enforcement actions against Ivan Boesky and Michael Milken, for example, insider trading, Wall Street figures.  He’s often handcuffing these mob bosses as well and business leaders.

“And, then later, what people don’t know is that Giuliani would drop the charges quietly.  His office would never actually prosecute these people.  He would just make a big show out of it, which is again related to 9/11, in that it’s clear that Giuliani gained primarily this political fame from 9/11, which is what he really sought throughout his career more than anything else.”  (c. 9:17)

[On Rudy Giuliani and foreknowledge of the crimes of 9/11]

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “And, then, subsequently, BCCI became a client of Rudy Giuliani’s law firm.  Right?”

KEVIN RYAN:  “That’s exactly right.  And, in this book, I make clear that there are quite a few connections to BCCI and these alternate suspects.  But Giuliani, as you said, he oversaw these enforcement actions against BCCI when it was shut down and the crimes were laid bare.

“And, then, he went to work for White & Case, which is a major law firm in New York City.  And BCCI was one of its clients.  Giuliani worked for that firm.  When he was running for mayor of New York City the first time, it was revealed that his firm had represented BCCI as well as Manuel Noriega, the Panamanian dictator, who at the time was seen as a bad guy, despite the fact that he was, clearly, working in partnership with George H. W. Bush, and had been.  Author Russ Baker made a lot of interesting points about that relationship.  (c. 10:26)

“But Giuliani seems to have been a deep state operative, or at least connected very closely to a lot of deep state operations over the years, abd BCCI being one of them.”

[On Rudy Giuliani’s apparently prearranged post-9/11 photo ops]

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “Now, on September 11th, 2001, Rudy Giuliani, of course, was mayor of New York City.  Did Rudy Giuliani and his staff at World Trade Center 7 have foreknowledge of the collapse of both Twin Towers and the World Trade Center 7?”

KEVIN RYAN:  “Yes.  They, in fact, did have foreknowledge.  And, so, I try to track this down a little bit.  But Giuliani stated very clearly that he was in the World Trade Center complex at the time.  He told Peter Jennings of ABC News afterward that he was told beforehand that the towers were going to collapse, which is interesting because none of the fire chiefs, or the building professionals, ever thought that those towers were gonna collapse beforehand.  That had never occurred before.  And, pointedly, no such thing has ever occurred since.  A building has never suffered a global collapse from fire.  But, yet, Giuliani was told that was what was going to happen.

“And, you know, he had also, Giuliani had also told the lie, that was repeated by Condoleezza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld, that no one had ever predicted airliner crashes into the World Trade Center.  But that was so obviously untrue that Brian Michael Jenkins, of Krull Associates, for example, one of the suspects in the book had considered exactly that sort of scenario.  And it was widely known they considered airliner impacts.  (c. 12:04)

“But, like you said, Giuliani’s staff, from the Department of Buildings and engineers from the city were in World Trade Center Building 7.  And they were telling people from the fire department that the building was going to collapse.  Building 7 was going to be taken down.  Clearly, there was foreknowledge.

“And one of the people, that was involved with it was a deputy director of the OEM, Richard Rotanz.  And he was behind, not only that claim that Building 7 was going to collapse—now, no one would ever be able to predict this, that Building 7 was going to collapse, given the official account, which is just a very skewered and convoluted story—but, somehow, Richard Rotanz knew.  He also claimed that there was a third hijacked plane headed for the area, which was the alleged reason that the OEM was evacuated that morning.”  (c. 13:02)

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “And what was Rudy Giuliani doing on the day of September 11th?  And what was going on in the lobby of the North Tower?”

KEVIN RYAN:  “Well, Giuliani was, for the most part, wandering around the site of the World Trade Center.  You know.  He happened to be there, I guess, that morning.  And, with him was his fire commissioner and his police commissioner Bernard Kerik, who’s a very interesting person.  We may have mentioned him earlier because Bernard Kerik went to Iraq to work for Paul Bremer during the occupation.

“But Kerik was the New York City Police Commissioner.  And Kerik and Giuliani were walking around.  They moved away from the danger in every case.  They were not brought in to any immediate danger.  But the director for the Office of Emergency Management of New York City, the OEM, was Richard Sheirer.  And he was in the lobby in the North Tower, as you said, with a number of high-level government employees.  And that would include John Odermatt of the OEM some people from the intelligence division of the New York City Police Department.”  (c. 14:15)

“So, here are these people who were just hanging around in the lobby at the North Tower, while the towers were burning.  And nobody knows what they were really doing there.  They were, of course, supposed to be in the Office of Emergency Management in Building 7.  But, like I said, that building was evacuated.  Sheirer never even went to the OEM at all.  And that’s one thing the 9/11 Commission could not figure out, why Sheirer would not go his own command center in the middle of an emergency, that was built exactly for this sort of crisis.  They just hung out in the lobby of the North Tower.  Luckily, for them, they were able to get out of the way before the building came down.  That was the second building that collapsed, though, of course.  (c. 15:00)

“But what Giuliani did is he is able to avoid danger almost entirely.  He and Kerick wandered around the outskirts of the area.  And Giuliani happened upon, just very coincidentally, his personal biographer, who happened to have a cameraman with him, somebody who had written a very flattering biography of Giuliani.  Giuliani just ran into him in the middle of this crisis.  And that’s what led to this series of johnny-on-the-spot interviews with Giuliani during the crisis, which made him out to be this great hero and decision-maker.  It was almost as if people knew to be ready to have Giuliani presented in such a way because it’s just too convenient otherwise.”

[theme music]

[On structural engineer Richard Tomasetti, of Thornton Tomasetti, who investigated the Oklahoma City bombing, worked at NIST, and was involved in recycling the World Trade Center steel, i.e., destroying material evidence of the crimes of 9/11; and AMEC Corporation subcontractors’ associations with organised crime.]

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “I’m speaking with chemist, research scientist, and author Kevin Ryan.  Today’s show:  ‘Another Nineteen, Part 5‘.  I’m Bonnie Faulkner. 

“And, then, after the buildings were demolished, who was in charge at ground zero.  And who was Richard Tomasetti?”

KEVIN RYAN:  “Well, Richard Tomasetti is half of the leaders of a company called Thornton & Tomasetti.  And his partner Charles Thornton was one of a small group of engineers, that had been asked to investigate terrorism over the years.  He was one of four, who investigated the Oklahoma City bombing, for example.  And, then, he became a member of the NIST Advisory Committee for the World Trade Center.

“But his partner, Richard Tomasetti was a man, who was the man who was, ultimately, said to have made the decision to recycle all the steel from ground zero.  Now, if people don’t remember, the fire engineering community and the victims’ families were outraged at the destruction of the evidence at ground zero and the speed, with which Giuliani pressed everyone to get the evidence of the debris out of the area, to move it as quickly as possible.

“But Tomasetti made this decision, he said, to recycle all the steel.  And he had made some weak claim later that, if he had known where the investigation was going to go, he would have made a different decision.  But I can’t imagine what he thought the investigation was going to be about.  The destruction of the buildings was an unprecedented event, and three times over.  (c. 17:30)

“Really, before any of the investigators got to ground zero, as the U.S House Committee on Science reported, the most important steel evidence was removed from the site and shipped away to be recycled.  And Tomasetti was behind that.”

[(c. 21:00)  On the fireproofing of the World Trade Center floors, which coincide with the 9/11 planing impact zone]

[(c. 22:15)  On Dwayne Andrews (of SAIC), a protégé of Dick Cheney and the 1980s U.S. House Intelligence Committee]

[(c. 53:15)  On hard drives recovered with evidence for insider trading related to the crimes of 9/11]

[SNIP]

[SNIP]  (c. 54:15)

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Porter Goss (b. 1938)

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “Now, Porter Goss went on to become the head of the CIA.  As head of the CIA, was Porter Goss known for blocking investgations?”

KEVIN RYAN:  “Yes, he was.  He was a Bush administration cheerleader.  And he was nominated and put in the position of CIA leader by Dick Cheney.  And he was unwilling to pursue anything, that would cause problems with the vice president’s office.

“He told the CIA, when he was made that director, that their job was to support the Bush administration and its policies.  Now, one would think that the CIA would be non-partisan.  But that, of course, was not the case.  And it certainly was not under Porter Goss.  There were senior CIA officers, who had opposed the Iraq War.  But Goss was strongly in favor of it.  And they were, essentially, telling us afterwards that there were no dissenting opinions allowed when Goss was running the CIA.

“Basically, he was also known for blocking investigations.  He blocked investigations into the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal and into the Bush administration links into the Iraqi Ahmed Chalabi.  Anything the Bush administration wanted to do, he supported.

“So, it turns out that this guy, who led the first investigation into 9/11, the inquiry, really, was just a man working for the Bush administration.”

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “Well, Kevin Ryan, I want to thank you for writing such a terrific book.”

KEVIN RYAN:  “Thank you, Bonnie.  I really appreciate your time.”

[theme music]

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “I’ve been speaking with Kevin Ryan.  Today’s show has been:  ‘Another Nineteen, Part 5’.

“Kevin Ryan earned a B.S. in chemistry from Indiana University.  And has worked as a chemistry laboratory manager for many years in Bloomington, Indiana.  He is the former site manager for Environmental Health Laboratories in South Bend, Indiana, a division of Underwriters Laboratories, or UL.

“Kevin Ryan is co-editor of the Journal of 9/11 Studies, which publishes peer-reviewed research, and a founding member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice.  Visit Journalof911Studies.com.  That’s Journal of—the numbers—911 Studies dot com.  Many of his articles can be found at ULTruth.com.  That’s U-L-T-R-U-T-H dot com.  His new book, Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects, can be found at Another19.com.  That’s Another—the numbers—911 dot com.

[SNIP]  (c. 59:59)

Learn more at GUNS AND BUTTER.

[This transcript will be expanded as time constraints, and/or demand or resources, allow.]

***

Also see this relevant Lumpenproletariat article on 9/11, featuring a transcript of Media Roots Radio, which your author originally transcribed for Media Roots in 2012:

  • Historical Archive: “MR Radio Transcript: 9/11 Coincidence Theory”, 25 OCT 2015.

***

[1]  For more information on important research by Kevin Ryan, M.A., also see:

  • Ryan, Kevin Robert.  Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects.  CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform (14 JUN 2013)
  • Dig Within, the blog of Kevin Ryan:  https://digwithin.net
  • WikiSpooks.com
  • WIKI 2

[2]  Terrestrial radio broadcast, 94.1 FM (KPFA, Berkeley, CA) with online simulcast and digital archiving:  Guns and Butter, this one-hour broadcast hosted by regular host Bonnie Faulkner, Wednesday, 31 JUL 2016, 13:00 PDT.

See other Guns and Butter broadcasts:

  • Another Nineteen, Part 1, 20 JUL 2016.
  • Another Nineteen, Part 2, 10 AUG 2016.
  • Another Nineteen, Part 3, 17 AUG 2016.
  • Another Nineteen, Part 4, 24 AUG 2016.

***

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[Image entitled “CasolaroDanny” by unknown sources (A, B, and C) used via Fair Use]

[CIA image of Porter Goss is in the public domain.]

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Guns and Butter Presents (part 4) – Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects by Kevin Ryan

24 Wed Aug 2016

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Guns_and_butter_logoLUMPENPROLETARIAT—On today’s edition of Guns and Butter, host Bonnie Faulkner presented Part 4 of a fascinating series of interviews with Kevin Ryan on his book, Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects. [1]

By now, it’s quite well understood that the official 9/11 Commission Report was fatally flawed, depriving the American people of a sincere investigation into the crimes of 9/11, which have been used as continuing justification for endless war everywhere, in other words, endless justification for U.S. imperialism justified by fears of synthetic threats, giving new meaning to the term manufacturing consent.

Kevin Ryan‘s book, Another Nineteen, provides a comprehensive study of the current body of research on the prime suspects, who deserve to be investigated for their apparent roles in carrying out the crimes of 9/11.  Listen (and/or download) here. [2]

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[Working draft transcript of actual radio broadcast by Messina for Lumpenproletariat and Guns and Butter.]

GUNS AND BUTTER—[24 AUG 2016]  “ [theme music]

KEVIN RYAN:  “And, so, if we see the film, what most people really remember is not how the buildings fell in a very inexplicable way, they remember the fireballs.  They remember these pyrotechnic effects occurring on 9/11.”

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “I’m Bonnie Faulkner.  Today on Guns and Butter:  Kevin Ryan.  Today’s show:  ‘Another Nineteen, Part 4‘.

“Kevin Ryan was site manager of a division of Underwriters Laboratories, or UL.  As a manager at Underwriters, he began in 2003 to question the World Trade Center investigation being conducted by UL and the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and UL’s work to insure the fire resistance of the buildings.

“Ryan lost his position at UL for making his questions public.

“He was a founding member of the 9/11 Working Group of Bloomington and Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice.  He now serves as co-editor of the Journal of 9/11 Studies.  He has authored several books and peer-reviewed scientific articles on the subject of 9/11.  His latest book is Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects.

“Today, we discuss Brian Michael Jenkins, L. Paul Bremer, terrorist propaganda, Wirt Walker, Kuwait American Corporation (or KuAm), Barry McDaniel, and Stratesec. (c. 1:54) 

“Kevin Ryan, welcome.”

KEVIN RYAN:  “Thank you, Bonnie.”

BONNIE FAULKNER:  “In your chapter, ‘Bremer, Jenkins and Terrorism Propaganda‘, you begin with the example of the Cold War, which was driven by threats to national security and hyped by the media.  You draw a parallel with the same tactics used in driving the War On Terror.  How was the communist threat sold to the public?  And who was behind this?”  (c. 2:20)

[SNIP]  (c. 5:30)

[On Team B]  (c. 6:30)

[On Operation Gladio]

[On transforming the American fear of a Soviet threat into the oxymoronic notion of ‘Islamic terrorist’ threat]  (c. 14:50)

[On the formation of a parallel CIA consisting largely of disgruntled agents fired by President Carter]  (c. 16:20)

[On the 1979 Jerusalem conference on international terrorism, which was attended by Bush and Netanyhu]

[On the Hart-Rudmond Commission]  (c. 20:30)

[SNIP]  (c. 37:30)

[On the Carlyle Group and the Bush family’s links to the crimes of 9/11]  (c. 49:15)

[On LANL]  (c. 51:45)

[On the tenants of the World Trade Center buildings]

[On the World Trade Center elevator fire-proofing, Ace Elevator company, & issues of elevator failures]  (c. 54:00)

[On the highly coincidental exercises]

[On why Barry McDaniel, an apparent “deep state operative,” and other colleagues from Stratesec should be investigated for their apparent crimes]

[SNIP]  (c. 59:59)

Learn more at GUNS AND BUTTER.

[This transcript will be expanded as time constraints, and/or demand or resources, allow.]

***

Also see this relevant Lumpenproletariat article on 9/11, featuring a transcript of Media Roots Radio, which your author originally transcribed for Media Roots in 2012:

  • Historical Archive: “MR Radio Transcript: 9/11 Coincidence Theory”, 25 OCT 2015.

***

[1]  For more information on important research by Kevin Ryan, M.A., also see:

  • Ryan, Kevin Robert.  Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects.  CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform (14 JUN 2013)
  • Dig Within, the blog of Kevin Ryan:  https://digwithin.net
  • WikiSpooks.com
  • WIKI 2

[2]  Terrestrial radio broadcast, 94.1 FM (KPFA, Berkeley, CA) with online simulcast and digital archiving:  Guns and Butter, this one-hour broadcast hosted by regular host Bonnie Faulkner, Wednesday, 24 JUL 2016, 13:00 PDT.

See previous Guns and Butter broadcasts:

  • Another Nineteen, Part 1, 20 JUL 2016
  • Another Nineteen, Part 2, 10 AUG 2016
  • Another Nineteen, Part 3, 17 AUG 2016

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