Bonnie Faulkner, Douglas Valentine (b. 1949), KPFA, Morley Safer (1931–2016), Pacifica Radio Network, transcript
LUMPENPROLETARIAT—On this week’s edition of free speech radio’s Guns and Butter, host Bonnie Faulkner presented a discussion with author Douglas Valentine on the U.S. government’s experimental CIA-military programme called Phoenix. Valentine is the author of The Phoenix Program: America’s Use of Terror in Vietnam (1990) and CIA as Organized Crime: How Illegal Operations Corrupt America and the World (2017).
In conversation with Bonnie Faulkner, Valentine discussed how the U.S. military and the CIA have breached their lines of jurisdiction in order to collude and engage in extralegal activities, including long-range and short-range planning and execution of regime change in various sovereign nations abroad, all of which further substantiates a narrative of US imperialist hostility and aggression around the world. Listen (and/or download) here. 
GUNS AND BUTTER—[11 JAN 2017] [station identification announcements by Erica Bridgeman(sp?)]
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DOUGLAS VALENTINE: “They have now refined these, um, these systems and a way to organise and manage them, so that the Phoenix model can be perfectly applied anywhere around the world. And the CIA, it has actually created ten, 15, 20 of these Phoenix-style centers around the world and is now organising itself from this manner, so it can more perfectly coordinate with military forces and the state department in countries where it’s fighting this War On Terror.” (c. 1:06)
BONNIE FAULKNER: “I’m Bonnie Faulkner. Today on Guns and Butter: Douglas Valentine. Today’s show: ‘Phoenix as the Model for Homeland Security and the War On Terror’. Douglas Valentine is the author of several works of historical non-fiction, including The Phoenix Program, about the CIA in Vietnam and The Strength of the Wolf , and The Strength of the Pack , which discuss the history of federal drug law enforcement. He also edited a poetry anthology, With Our Eyes Wide Open: Poems of the New American Century. The latest book is The CIA as Organized Crime: How Illegal Operations Corrupt America and the World.
“Today, we discuss the Phoenix programme in Vietnam, how systems analysis was used to implement the programme, and how the Phoenix model is still in use today.
“Douglas Valentine, welcome.” (c. 2:01)
DOUGLAS VALENTINE: “Thank you very much for having me on your show.”
BONNIE FAULKNER: “Your book, The Phoenix Program: America’s Use of Terror in Vietnam was originally published in 1990, but trashed by a review in The New York Times by Morley Safer, who’d been a reporter in Vietnam.
“You have written that the book was killed because it said that Phoenix never would have succeeded if the reporters in Vietnam hadn’t covered for the CIA. (c. 2:31) [snip]
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(c. 30:00) [on the three categories of the Pheonix programme]
[snip] (c. 59:59)
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 Terrestrial radio transmission, 94.1 FM (KPFA, Berkeley, CA) with online simulcast and digital archiving: Guns and Butter, this one-hour broadcast hosted by host Bonnie Faulkner, Wednesday, 11 JAN 2017, 13:00 PST.
[11 JAN 2017]
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